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  • alphasquadron

    alphasquadron

    March 10, 2015, 7:42 am

    As someone who goes to one of the well-known universities in Alabama. Let me be the one to tell you that many people here whole-heartedly believe that Obama is the next Hitler. I am a finance major and let me be honest I am not positive as to how long the economy is going to take to recover or what exact steps are needed to facilitate that recovery but I get people from agriculture, education, and other random major's explaining to me in a very detailed fashion about what will happen in the next coming years. Of course all these things are negative and put the blame on Obama. I mean come on, I don't go into agriculture building and explain to them exactly how crops etc should be planted because I have no clue. It just pisses me off when reiterate everything they have heard on Fox News with no clue as to the background behind it. And I just have to keep nodding my head nowadays because once I corrected one of the agriculture majors about finance that made his point useless and let me tell you this is the best way to lose friends. He did not like me as much later because he feels like I had stumped him so I learned not to correct people that are crazy for a cause because that will just make them hate you.

    I went back and read some more comments and realized that I only gave the cons of Alabama. I would like to add that if you stay away from the political discussion, Alabama has some of the most genuine and nice people I have ever met(I have lived up north before). I would also like to add that the girls here(the south in general) are the most attractive that I have ever seen.(I have traveled to many states in the US.)

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  • neoabraxas

    neoabraxas

    March 10, 2015, 7:48 am

    Crispy cream. It's just an idiotic name. And I refuse to misspell it. I hate all the "cutesy" misspelled names that are the staple of corporate America e.g. Kwik Mart, EZ something or other etc. As a side note, for some reason the British corps seem to have at least enough decency not to abuse us with intentional misspellings or this overly casual "cool" naming. It's a fad that appears unique to corporate America.

    In the same vein most corporate phraseology tends to annoy me. The most outlandish have to do with naming people "resources" or some other derogatory, demeaning term e.g. "I need three resources for this project" or "we have to reduce headcount".

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  • thedragon4453

    thedragon4453

    March 10, 2015, 10:07 am

    I know this is probably easier to say for me than you, but if thats the case: Fuck those people.

    Don't be concerned with their opinion, because its probably shit anyway. Just leave the church, move if you're in Utah, and get on with life. I don't keep people in my life that would treat me that way if I changed sexual orientations, religions, whatever. Life is far too short to worry about the opinions of judgmental assholes who base their lives around the misinterpretations of books that are thousands of years old (or in this case, correct interpretations of a book that is a few hundred years old, but also likely written by a crazy person/scammer.)

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  • I_SOLVE_EVERYTHING

    I_SOLVE_EVERYTHING

    March 10, 2015, 11:45 pm

    This is what worried me the most about this shadowy firm.

    FTA:

    Visitors to APF's Blackwater-esque Web site listen to Ravel's Boléro and peruse a menu of services that include: harbor patrol threat interdiction, interdicting terror activity, interdicting weapons of mass destruction, international airline security, cheating spouse investigations, polygraph testing, kidnapping response, weapons sales including "Nuclear/Biological/Chemical (WMD)," and, finally, private investigative services that draw on "vast global network of highly ranked officers and government officials."

    A private firm with no listed clients is involved in sales of weapons of mass destruction? WTF is going on here... & I call bullshit that AFP and Xe (Blackwater) aren't linked...

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  • nmathew

    nmathew

    March 10, 2015, 5:07 pm

    I cannot copy and paste from the document. Page 2

    >It has never been demonstrated that the evolution of life from inorganic chemicals has occurred...

    This is a fundamental error. Abiogenesis is not evolution, and the abiogenesis hypothesizes I'm familiar with involve organic molecules. On the same page, the author admits he beings by assuming scripture is correct, and works backwards from scripture.

    StGermain, if we never meet, I'm going to cock punch you. :) I tried to browse this submission, and it hurt my head. It's frustrating, as they keep promising scientific evidence, and not producing. I've got just enough nuclear chemistry schooling to follow along, but it's mostly junk. They need about an order of magnitude more citations for this to approach a proper literature review supporting their position for starters. Once they started using New Testament passages to support nuclear decay rate changes, I gave up.

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  • Bambooze

    Bambooze

    March 10, 2015, 1:46 pm

    I'm not suggesting that we invade iran now, it's taken a long time, but given another ten years or so they might not be ruled by ayatollahs and killing their women's rights groups. However, if we did not install a corrupt retard with dictatorial tendancies Iran wouldn't have needed to overthrow them. Intervention can work if it isn't based solely in self interest. My example is again South Korea. Which has been doing just fine. You don't even have to imagine the horror they would be living in if we didn't get involved, North Korea is living it. We are building hospitals and schools, our military institutions treat anybody that walks in, even if they have allied bullet wounds. If we leave we can be assured that the government will be toppled by people that are just as bad, and instead of having low level fighting and random road side bombs there will be fighting in the streets again, which will kill even more people for no useful reason. It's true Afghan support has dropped in the last year or so, but that corresponds not with more troops on the ground, but with the US running more drone bombing missions. We can eliminate the bombing without eliminating the supportive role we are playing there. But there's not going to be some secular revolution or bloodless overthrow of the government. Everybody is too religious and has way too many guns.

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  • antihexe

    antihexe

    March 10, 2015, 6:01 pm

    You have to be honest with your family, truly. If they are worth having relationships with, they will understand and accept you no matter what your Beliefs or lack thereof happen to be.

    Tell them. If they don't want to have anything to do with you, just move away.

    For the record; I am an ex-Mormon who left the church under similar circumstances. Some of my family members and associates decided to stop talking to me, most didn't, however and I still receive invitations to weddings, holidays and even baptisms for some crazy reason. (Disclaimer: You may have a more difficult time because you are so close to what I call "the hive", I live in Oregon.

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  • es-335

    es-335

    March 11, 2015, 6:50 am

    I have been reading oodles of reviews on Amazon of the various models and from personal trainers, etc. on sites; from what I understand some of them are very accurate, however their usage kinda reflects what I said in the text box under title in that they give a very good idea of "where you're at" as opposed to guessing or worse yet not having any clue at all (which is where *I'm* at).

    And a few of the [more expensive of course] models do in fact record and display averages as well as current readings. Some even have extensive workout/nutrition logging abilities, pretty wild for a wristwatch.

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  • brock_lee

    brock_lee

    March 10, 2015, 9:24 pm

    I worked at this place and one day I went to my ISP, to my personal FTP space. In a browser, you'd enter ftp.<myISP>.com and it would take you to some kind of root folder. You clicked on the /user folder then on your username which was also shown as a folder. That was your personal FTP space to put things, which were visible by the world.

    Once, I clicked on /usr instead of /user. This folder was also visible by the world. Apparently, that set off some alarms at the ISP who traced my IP and notified my boss. They fired me that same day for "hacking" into my ISP. I never even got a chance to explain.

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  • DJWhamo

    DJWhamo

    March 10, 2015, 7:47 am

    Who he is is irrelevant. No one is infallible. Anyone is capable of spouting rhetoric and bull. Are you telling me that Ron Paul has the same mentality as Newt Gingrich? That Rudy Giuliani is of the same mindset as Sarah Palin? Are neocons no different than paleocons? Theocrats no different than libertarians? And that they are all connected by hate? And how far back does he want to go? Is he comparing Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican President, to Hitler? What about Roosevelt? LaGuardia? Eisenhower? Goldwater? Colin Powell?

    He's either losing it, letting his emotions get the better of him, or taking advantage of the fact that William F. Buckley is no longer alive to counter his rantings.

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  • trevorpinzon

    trevorpinzon

    March 11, 2015, 7:45 am

    You yourself are part of the portion of human beings that still have a heart. They exist, regardless of how jaded, how dark, or how dismal their world becomes. You wouldn't do charity work if you weren't a good person, therefore making you a prime example of a decent human being. Simple things like kindness and decency are becoming scarce lately, and I think the rest of the world, man and nature included, sure could use all the light they could find amid the darkness. Please don't put out yours.

    I'm sure you'd make a wonderful conversationalist, and this thread's only been up for an hour :) hang around for a little while.

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  • another_account_5

    another_account_5

    March 10, 2015, 6:20 am

    Seriously, if you dont understand that probably 99.9% of the people in the libertarian subreddit dont care for the patriot act post at your own peril.

    It is not something we support. Typically, we also dont support wars except those of self-defense. Lastly, we are very critical of the state and statist measures to provide security or peace.

    States are one of the most vile creations made by man. At best, they can be kept at bay at worse they destroy the majority for the benefit of a few.

    Lastly, I asked that you find a place where your ideas would be readily accepted and/or welcomed as I dont think they have a home here. You basically wished death upon me.

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  • t4lisin

    t4lisin

    March 10, 2015, 6:54 pm

    1st child + Hospital birth = horrible experience

    2nd child + Home birth w/midwife (midwife 45 minutes late) = good

    3rd child + Home birth no/midwife = Great.

    My wife got on this kick after my first son was born primarily due to the experience we had at the hospital. They preformed an Episiotomy even though we expressly requested them not to. They almost circumcised after we expressly forbade them not to and the list goes on. My wife researched birth centers after we got pregnant with our second child. (We had to travel to another state because it is illegal in GA, luckily only 1.5 hours away) She talked the midwife into home birth. Midwife got lost, I caught the 9.3 lb baby boy in a candle lit bathroom. After we got pregnant with third child my wife started in on Unassisted Child birth "UC". Frankly it scared the hell out of me because I was looking at pregnancy and childbirth as a medical condition. It is not, it is a part of nature and a process of nature. Keep in my wife is under 30 and had no complications during either previous births. I bucked up and read a hella lot about child birth and caught my third child as well. The most awesome experience I have ever had. I got to be the first person to touch both of the home birth kids. I learned how much faith and trust my wife has in me.

    Worst part about the two home birth was not the afterbirth.... It was getting their damned birth certificates........

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  • MarcoVincenzo

    MarcoVincenzo

    March 10, 2015, 6:11 pm

    Chicago school economists, libertarians? I don't think so! The article's author is definitely confused but that doesn't excuse such a poor and inaccurate title. Libertarianism is a political philosophy not an economic one. Libertarians do want real money, but we haven't had real money in the United States since 1913 and I can't think of any place in the the world that has real money today. So, trying to blame libertarians for the folly of fiat currency doesn't do any thing other than prove one's ignorance.

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  • youssef

    youssef

    March 10, 2015, 3:06 pm

    I first found out how they are ordered in the follow-list, which was simple. The first icon you see is the last account the profile followed. Then I created all accounts*, uploaded the tile, set the correct name etc, and followed them in the correct way. I could've omit those steps and simply follow and upload the images afterwards but I thought that fellow redditors perhaps would like to have an alien on their sidebar too and this would be easier.

    *Although it might not be that nice to create that much fake accounts, I tried to behave as nice as possible. I didn't wrote a registration bot and used usernames that I think nobody would need. I used valid email-addresses that I receive and did not follow any other account with these to not fake followers.

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  • mlsherrod

    mlsherrod

    March 10, 2015, 5:16 am

    Bama Born and raised, don't mess with our guns, dogs or women (in that order) and we'll be just fine yall.

    I have lived all over Alabama, come on down for a visit and take a look around. While your here, you can listen to the several thousand songs written about the beauty of Alabama and its people. New York has what, one?

    There's a reason people are happy here, but let's not share too much fellow Bama Redditers, we don't want things to change too quick when people come here and decide they like it enough to stay.

    May I suggest an Alabama Sub Reddit /r/Ala

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  • eric22vhs

    eric22vhs

    March 11, 2015, 1:41 am

    I still think Colbert is funny, but in the last year he and John Stewart have been heading in different directions(audience wise).

    Colbert is all ridiculous jokes with the occasional easter egg for the smarter people watching the show. Just notice how when he makes a mindless joke or a funny face the audience goes wild, but when he makes a clever joke with a political or historical reference without first explaining it people in the studio rarely seem to pick up on it.

    Stewart on the other hand is focussing on all current events and politics these days, and whenever he gets an important guest he dedicates half the episode to their discussion, and even posts the full discussion online. There's a reason why almost every episode these days has a congress man or other high end politician as his guest.

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  • nidoking

    nidoking

    March 11, 2015, 3:11 am

    It looks like you're trying to set me up. Farting, shitting, burping, vomiting, spewing snot, pissing, menstruating, squirting pus out of your face, untangling your forest pubes, and all the other fantabulous ways that people are gross are equally repulsive from men and women alike. Things like these are intimate and usually problematic details that are never good topics for conversation unless you're in the company of ten year old boys. Why does the sight of a bleeding mole jutting out of someone's buttcrack make me grimace? Why do we find anything that we think is nasty, nasty? I'm sorry to say that TMI gross things happen more often to women than men (unless their dicks start bleeding out chunks of their organs), but this is unfortunate chance and not a result of women being oppressed. If you are comfortable ranting about the bloody piece of snot you had to dig out of your nose with a bent fork or the dead fetus that bled out of your crotch in front of people, by all means, go ahead, but this is very much apart from the norm in our current culture of manners and you will get a response. I have to reiterate yet again: Just because something is natural doesn't mean it can't be ugly. I would not cry and faint if I suffered a miscarriage, but I'd be damned if someone can describe theirs to me in casual conversation and I won't raise a few hairs.

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  • iggyma04

    iggyma04

    March 10, 2015, 5:46 pm

    i hate time warner. and i hate you. every time you fuck sticks come to hook something up, you hook up the wires and peace out before even making sure it works. i had to call you guys back out 2 times bc it wouldnt work after they left. i had one asshat tell me he couldnt stay to fix it bc he had to go pick up speakers from his friends house. I stood in the doorway and made him fix it before he left ( which took just under 4 minutes, i timed it ). so my question is, why are all you people assholes / idiots / and losers? ( I'm sure there are some nice time warner repairmen out there, and you might be one, but in 10 yrs of ordering time warner, I have yet to meet one. ( and I can't switch services, before you people ask, bc time warner has a fucking monopoly basically here where I live ) )

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  • junglejimster

    junglejimster

    March 10, 2015, 7:54 pm

    Yeah. i always have to get jobs which give me a private office, which has entailed grad school and hard work. because if i was in open plan i don't know how i would survive. so i am a very senior exec in a multinational--it gives me some privacy.

    because i have to jerk off by lying on my front, it makes jerking at work really tough. need to get the laptop on the ground and my 6ft2 frame on the ground too.

    i've been interrupted a dozen times or more but people never believe what is going on. how can an MD/SVP be lying on the ground in the middle of the afternoon and jerk off to IntheVIP.com or SapphicErotica? That can't be right, they all think. Because it is too bizarre. The brains can't process it.

    As to porn, I am almost post-porn. 90% of my jerks are to call girl web sites (i love the idea I can order the girls in) or to adultfriendfinder. But sapphic erotica and some video stuff like reality kings sometimes comes into favour

    But i have saved a ton of cash just by using call girl adverts. These aren't always very explicit but I mix the pictures with my imagination and experience (10+ serious girlfriends, 50+ flings; including 1 (non-skanky) Playboy playmate; couple of small time lingerie models)--I'm no freak apart from this messy masturbation addiction.

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  • KOM

    KOM

    March 10, 2015, 12:03 pm

    I don't disagree - I was answering to your "free speech malarkey". I said a community is entitle to act as it wishes, and reddit usually errs on the side of caution in such cases. I meant only to point out that freedom of speech has nothing to do with public situations, only in government involvement in such situations.

    [edit] I'd also like to point out that this whole submission is predicated on the OP having been banned by violentacrez from a subreddit. That doesn't mean that I think he (violentacrez) should be banned from reddit, only that it's an interesting position to take defending him for doing exactly what he is guilty of.

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  • jooliver

    jooliver

    March 10, 2015, 9:51 pm

    Why must people try to prop up national health care as some sort of saving grace. Yes, 99% of the population is covered in Taiwan. But, they are borrowing money from the banks to support the system. And, that is with them only spending an average of $900 per person per year. There are not enough doctors to properly care for the needy patients, with rural areas not even having local doctors. The average time that a doctor spends with their patient in Taiwan is 2-4 minutes. how in the hell is the doctor going to know what is going on with you in 2 minutes. I couldn't even list my medicines in 2 min!

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  • supertoned

    supertoned

    March 10, 2015, 1:06 pm

    Scribblenauts suffers from a major design flaw: The developers spent oodles of time coding in a massive dictionary of items, and spent relatively little time coding in relationships between them. This makes the whole fabric of an otherwise excellent game unravel fairly quickly.

    For instance: You can summon an Entomologist, and you can summon a Butterfly Net. You can cause the said entomologist to wield the net, upon which he will stand around looking confused in the face of any insect you care to summon.

    The game would have been much better off with a smaller item set and a richer interaction set. As it stands, playing it feels broken. You are free to come up with a million imaginative solutions, but only 1% of them are able to work.

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  • Tomble

    Tomble

    March 10, 2015, 6:18 am

    Astonishing, and frightening. What is America supposed to look like? because to a lot of the outside world, it hasn't been looking so great for the past 8 years.

    >Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars.

    Who are these skilled nation builders?

    This guy makes me think of someone who, on losing a competition, punches the winner in the face and takes the winnings. Because, you know, he's the good guy and *deserved* it more.

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  • Pronell

    Pronell

    March 11, 2015, 7:26 am

    Yeah, I got what you meant to say. And I don't really have a good answer in regards to intelligent conservative discourse.

    One possible answer is that the intelligent conservative discourse might come from within the Democratic party. Just because we've had this supposed left-right dichotomy in the past doesn't mean it's relevant anymore.

    If the conservative movement has fractured and the Democratic party has continued to slide to the right, maybe we have to start considering the content of the commentary instead of the source.

    Just so long as that source isn't WND, of course. Or Newsmax. ;)

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  • Mookhaz

    Mookhaz

    March 11, 2015, 12:02 am

    As someone who had these kinds of problems in high school, i agree. Laughing it off as if you are better than him and as if his words have no effect on you does wonders for your own self-esteem. (although you must already have some to pretend to have some IMO)

    I know it sounds lame, but telling your instructor or a principal what is happening may be your best bet to end it. If not though, it becomes a great precursor to physical violence.

    If all else fails, assuming you have addressed the problem with your parents and school faculty numerous times, let him say something REALLY offensive about your mother, family etc. just one more time. Then just smile at him and elbow him hard in the face. He should be down for a minute and by the time he recovers there should be people around to break it up. ONE HIT. Don't overdo it. You will look like the good guy.

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  • aciddrizzle

    aciddrizzle

    March 10, 2015, 10:07 am

    Not anymore.

    When I was probably 5 or 6, I hopped out of the back of the family minivan and started running for the door-- I was pretty excited about some undoubtably silly shit.

    My sister, who was about 4, opened the passenger side door directly on my eyebrow. Not quite my eye, but close enough.

    Apparently, the eyebrow is the most vascular area on the surface of the body, meaning that if you get cut there it looks like you're going to die of bloodloss. I don't remember getting hit, or really feeling pain, but I do remember putting my hand up to my head for probably a second or two and then pulling it away covered in blood.

    I told my sister she should watch out when she's opening the door. She told me I needed to run faster. Probably we were both right.

    A hospital visit, a few stitches, and 20 years later, and I still have the scar. It's hardly noticeable unless I point it out, but I make a big show of it whenever I want to make her feel guilty about something. Also, I need to ask my dad how he got the unbelievably bloody back seat of that van clean. I really don't have any idea.

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  • rootmoot

    rootmoot

    March 11, 2015, 7:57 am

    This reminds me of my junior year of high school. I had after school activities so I had to take the late bus home. I had an extremely low profile, but there were some kids who knew the crowd that I ran with and I was pretty much left alone. My best friend was three years older than me and went to the local community college. His brother was a drummer who was known to be technically proficient, so we got to see a lot of up and coming bands in the city on the weekends either in studios or in clubs, this led to meeting a wide range of people outside of our town. My friend was a complete psychopath, and in his case it seemed that likes attract, he had a group of friends that seemed like they were in competition at who can be the best nutjob.

    On the late bus it was pretty much the nerd/geek and the sport kids. I always had a habit of sitting on the back of the bus, after a while, six or seven of the soccer team kids started to sit in the back as well. I am a really polite person, everyday when the bus stopped at my block, I would say something to the driver, like "see you tomorrow", or "have a good weekend", or some such. well the soccer kids started to say stuff to me. they would mock me, or ask me if mommy was going to be waiting at the bus stop, things of that nature. This went on for weeks, and everyday I would still say something to the bus driver. One day it got a little physical, I started sitting in the middle of the bus and they all got on and sat around me, they were grabbing at my book bag, pushing my head when I ignored their questions and whatnot. This happened on a Friday.

    I made the mistake of telling my friend this as we were riding the train into the city later that evening. He came up with a solution, "lets see if they're pussies", so I ask him what he means and he lays it all out. The next Monday he picks me up from school, and we follow the bus to see where they live. They all got off at the same stop. Tuesday he has his buddies drop him off and gets on the bus. He sat next to the biggest kid, turns around and flashes the kid sitting next to me the psycho look. The kid sitting next to him seemed like he started to realize he was with me because he started to move closer to the window after my friend asked me for some gum and made some small talk. The kid sitting next to me, and the kid sitting in front of me totally changed their body language when we didn't get off at my stop. When we pulled up to their stop nicks buddies were there leaning on his car. I got up as the bus was rolling to the stop and started to walk to the front of the bus, I get off in the usual manner by saying goodbye to the driver, walked up to nicks car and shook hands with his buddies. Nick waited until they all got off before getting up to let the big kid out, and then followed him off the bus.

    The first kids to get off just put their heads down and started to walk slowly away from each other, the big kid gets off the bus and pretty much the same thing, Nick gets off and says loud enough for all of them to hear, "see! I told you they were a bunch of pussies", one of Nicks buddies call one of the kids by his first name (I have no idea how he knew, he didn't even go to that school) and asks him where him and his friends were going, the kid basically shrugs his shoulders and they all walk away, so we all get in the car and leave. End of story, or so I thought.

    Nick tells me that I may not want to ride the bus, but I tell him I think it will be fine. Wednesday I get on the bus, no soccer kids, The rest of the week, same thing, this went on for the rest of the year. By the end of my senior year I find out why.

    One night we went out and stayed out late. As we were coming home, nick drives to the neighborhood these kids live in, I had totally forgotten about the whole incident by this time. We drive down one of the streets and nick turns his headlights off, pulls up onto the driveway and drives across the lawn real slow, he stops on the lawn in front of this fence and slowly accelerates until he knocks it over. I'm kind of use to him doing stuff like this, one of his favorite pastimes was driving on a freeway to match speeds with cars that wanted to get off, he would just stare straight ahead and keep matching speed until the other car would miss it's exit. As were driving down the road his buddy says, "Stacey yelled at me today when I called to tell her to have a nice day". I instantly froze up, that was one of their taunts that the soccer kids used most often to mock me.

    In conversation it slowly dawns on me that they have been tormenting not only these kids, but their family's as well, for all this time! they would drive down the block and if they saw one alone they would chase him down. They were leaving notes in the mailboxes addressed to the parents threatening all manner of sick violence against their family. They would torment other family members in public, with a nasal "have a nice day", after doing something completely psychotic to them. They found out the phone numbers to their houses, and their parents place of work numbers, call them, breathing heavily and repeat 'have a nice day' over and over in a real slow deep voice. They did this at a random frequency, stop for a while then start up again, or every once in a while do a short run of attacks. At this point I started to put some strange things that had happened to me together.

    I didn't know a lot of kids in my high school personally, when people did talk to me, it was usually about class work, or books that I usually had with me, but little things started to happen that I was oblivious to for the rest of high school. The stoner and heavy metal kids seemed to know my name, a lot of girls started saying hi to me, people would say things every once in a while, along the lines of 'enough is enough' only to be shushed by their friends, some teachers seemed to treat me in a cold manner, people in the halls would look at me, and when I would acknowledge them, they would look away, and a bunch of other random oddities.

    A few years after I graduated I went home for thanksgiving break and ended up in a bar with another friend. In one of the booths theres a bunch of girls and I notice this one really cute girl making eyes at me. Every time I turned around she was looking at me and would smile. I gather my courage, walk over to her table to say hi and introduce myself, before I have a chance to say a word she says "Hi rootmoot, it's good to see you" stands up and kisses me on the cheek, huge WTF at this point. Turns out, we went to high school together, as well as her friends. I learned that night that I was one of the people in that school who you didn't want to mess with. The stories they told had absolutely nothing to do with me or the soccer kids, if something bad happened to someone, the lies and rumors would be linked back to me. Any teacher that had left before the bus incident, they left because they got on my bad side, Kids who's family's moved, my doing, if any thing bad had previously happened without explanation, my fingerprints were all over it. In essence, these girls were painting the picture of the most depraved, ruthless, cunning psychopath that ever existed, and it was me they were talking about.

    Why they liked me for that I cant tell you, but more alarming, how did this happen to me when all I wanted was some backup to make a bunch of kids stop messing with me. I can blame nick, or I can blame myself for not coming up with a better solution to the problem. I still worry to this day that I may run into someone from my high school in a business event, or at some type of formal function, and have to explain to them what really happened. Just the thought of someone thinking that I'm that far off kilter makes me cringe.

    I think it's great that you don't want to stop this kid with violence, I wish I was that mature when it happened to me. Maybe if you can catch him alone and tell him that it needs to stop before it escalates to a new level, or how unproductive his actions are, he would see that people can treat him as human being and not whatever he thinks he is. Hopefully this will work out for you in a good way.

    **tl;dr:** same kind of thing happened to me, but my friend decided to mindfuck the tormentors for a long period of time.

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  • AnomoPostMormo

    AnomoPostMormo

    March 10, 2015, 7:20 pm

    Hey Offthefence, I'm gonna write you a novel since you're in a situation similar to mine that's very close to my heart.

    A little background. Grew up in the church and was a golden child (ie never did anything wrong). Served a mission, became an agnostic leaning towards atheist half way through it, stuck it out. Afterwords I stayed active in the church for a few years and have slowly drifted into almost complete inactivity. I still go every now and then if say I'm up visiting my folks or there's a baby blessing or mission farewell. But other than that I don't go at all.

    For the most part I feel like I'm in a pretty maneagable place now with regards to the church. Sure it kinda sucks still sometimes. And I still hide my true feelings in certain situations for the sake of maintaining relationships I value more than enjoying the liberty of being candid. A sacrifice some probably thinks is retarded but it's worth it to me.

    Leaving the church is something that has huge consequences as you're obviously aware or you wouldn't feel trapped and be posting to the reddit community. ;)

    So for what it's worth here is my advice having been traveling this same road myself.

    First of all some questions you should ask yourself:

    * Do you want your wife to come with you?

    * Do you want her to make that choice on her own and not feel responsible for her choice yourself?

    * How is your activity going to affect your relationship?

    * Do you want to maintain the ties with your family as if you were still an active Mormon?

    * Do you want to just get out of Mormon culture and be done with it or do you want to influence it to be more accepting of people taking your path?

    * Do you want to stay in Utah?

    * Indefinitely?

    * Do you want your kid(s) to be active in there local wards youth activities?

    * Do you want your kid(s) to have the choice to be or not to be LDS?

    * How will the wifes choices affect this question?

    Me? I want my social bonds to remain intact, I want to encourage Mormon culture in a good way and I want to stay in Utah.

    My advice if you feel the same way:

    * GO SLOW!

    * Give your wife friends and family time to adjust to you still being you but not being into church. You're still honest, friendly, a pal, etc, etc, etc. You're just mildly active then not active then not a believer. If you go fast all you'll do is freak the shit out of them since you're obviously being CONSUMED BY SATAN ;)*

    * Discuss your issues with friends and family BUT water down your concerns about the church so as not to freak them out by sounding all apostate and angry. You'll just reinforce the alienating stereotypes that Mormons form of apostates (which makes us friendly apostates pissed off!). Tailor your conversations to who you're talking with. If it's a friend who say is a pretty liberal jack mormon who still goes to church vs. your mother who is all torn up inside about how she's failed in your upbringing obviously talk differently to them.

    * I've got my folks now where we can discuss the church without me feeling like I'm gonna make my mom cry or my dad irate. But it took years and lots of little conversations that pushed the envelope but never to hard.

    * Get some friends that are like you!

    * If you're lucky they'll appear by themselves as you make your way down this path. Mine did. I found one friend ... then another ... then another. And before long I knew several people in various stages of kinda out to really out of the church who I could have honest conversations about my feelings with. It may surprise you how many other half*mormons there are who are like you. Especially if you give em a nudge and are a friend they can unload there feelings on! Utah Mormons are a weird freaking bunch!

    * If you pick up non-mormon naughty beverage habits (coffee n' beer) ... be discreet amongst your mormon pals. They'll just look at it and be like ... ohhh that's why Offthefence no longer goes to church. He just wanted to drink coffee!

    * By the way ... coffee and beer ... awesome! And obviously the only reason I left the church ;)

    * I prefer postmormon.org over exmormon.org as exmormon.org is like the PETA of not being a Mormon any more. They're mostly pissed, divorced and ostracized while the postmormon people reflect more the take on things I'm expressing in my reply.

    Good luck my brotha! It ain't easy but it's worth it! PM me if you wanna talk more.

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